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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://rhinocrisy.org/2005/08/another-problem-with-creationism/comment-page-1/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the real debate here is what Saheli&#039;s comment points to (at least for me)--whether or not you accept the methodology of science/empiricism and all its results as a limiting factor for your preconceptions about the divine or whether you don&#039;t (and vice versa).  Intelligent design is a load of horseshit because it tries to tie a perfectly reasonable sensation (that the universe is miraculous and wondrous and complex and it&#039;s unfortuante for it to be reduced to nuts and bolts) to politicotheological ends--its proponents try to make you make a choice between your rational mind and your religious (christian) mind and for anyone who&#039;s religious, that&#039;s just torture and unnecessary for personal reasons.  it&#039;s akin to asking someone to choose between various identities in a civil war (national, ethnic, etc.).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A similar theory that argued for the &lt;i&gt;possibility&lt;/i&gt;&#160;, rather than the certainty, of a creator (or creative force) which premised itself on absorbing all scientific truths of the time is perfectly sound as far as I can tell (it&#039;s almost tautologically sound).  you can throw whatever facts you want in the mix and the belief will shape itself around that.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I suspect I&#039;m not saying anything new :)&#160;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Posted by&lt;a&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://darkdaysahead.blogspot&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot; TITLE=&quot;sauravsarkar2000 at gmail dot com&quot;&gt;Saurav&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the real debate here is what Saheli&#8217;s comment points to (at least for me)&#8211;whether or not you accept the methodology of science/empiricism and all its results as a limiting factor for your preconceptions about the divine or whether you don&#8217;t (and vice versa).  Intelligent design is a load of horseshit because it tries to tie a perfectly reasonable sensation (that the universe is miraculous and wondrous and complex and it&#8217;s unfortuante for it to be reduced to nuts and bolts) to politicotheological ends&#8211;its proponents try to make you make a choice between your rational mind and your religious (christian) mind and for anyone who&#8217;s religious, that&#8217;s just torture and unnecessary for personal reasons.  it&#8217;s akin to asking someone to choose between various identities in a civil war (national, ethnic, etc.).</p>
<p>A similar theory that argued for the <i>possibility</i>&#160;, rather than the certainty, of a creator (or creative force) which premised itself on absorbing all scientific truths of the time is perfectly sound as far as I can tell (it&#8217;s almost tautologically sound).  you can throw whatever facts you want in the mix and the belief will shape itself around that.</p>
<p>I suspect I&#8217;m not saying anything new <img src='http://rhinocrisy.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#160;</p>
<p><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a><a HREF="http://darkdaysahead.blogspot" REL="nofollow" TITLE="sauravsarkar2000 at gmail dot com">Saurav</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That picture is priceless; it reminds me of Toy Story II. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;I dunno. I don&#039;t really feel like getting into this discussion right now b/c I know that where it counts I&#039;m firmly on your side. We&#039;re all talking about this right now b/c we don&#039;t want creationism to be taught in public schools or passed of as science. But a small part of me bristles slightly at the notion that the idea that one must limit one&#039;s scientific and political discussion of the origins and mechanisms of life to observables, and therefore essentially to evolution, automatically implies that one can have no personal thought of a creator, or that such a thought  is as illogical and obviously idiotic as the Denver airport system. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I mean, your notions of what a &quot;creator&quot; can and cannot be seem somewhat limited in scope and flexibility. It is possible to conceive of a god who would exactly not want a Universe that revealed his or her existence in any unarguable way and therefore, sort of let it organize itself. There are theological arguments for guessing that such a god might exist. In my mind those arguments go perfectly in  hand with not persuading non-believers with those arguments but that doesn&#039;t mean that believers are necessarily idiots. &#160;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Posted by&lt;a&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://ssrdatta.blogspot.com&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot; TITLE=&quot;sahelidatta at hotmail dot com&quot;&gt;Saheli&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That picture is priceless; it reminds me of Toy Story II. </p>
<p>I dunno. I don&#8217;t really feel like getting into this discussion right now b/c I know that where it counts I&#8217;m firmly on your side. We&#8217;re all talking about this right now b/c we don&#8217;t want creationism to be taught in public schools or passed of as science. But a small part of me bristles slightly at the notion that the idea that one must limit one&#8217;s scientific and political discussion of the origins and mechanisms of life to observables, and therefore essentially to evolution, automatically implies that one can have no personal thought of a creator, or that such a thought  is as illogical and obviously idiotic as the Denver airport system. </p>
<p>I mean, your notions of what a &#8220;creator&#8221; can and cannot be seem somewhat limited in scope and flexibility. It is possible to conceive of a god who would exactly not want a Universe that revealed his or her existence in any unarguable way and therefore, sort of let it organize itself. There are theological arguments for guessing that such a god might exist. In my mind those arguments go perfectly in  hand with not persuading non-believers with those arguments but that doesn&#8217;t mean that believers are necessarily idiots. &#160;</p>
<p><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a><a HREF="http://ssrdatta.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow" TITLE="sahelidatta at hotmail dot com">Saheli</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;stuff that&#039;s created new doesn&#039;t work&lt;/i&gt;&#160;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is more of an argument &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt; creation than against it.&#160;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Posted by&lt;a&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;DearDarlingDidi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>stuff that&#8217;s created new doesn&#8217;t work</i>&#160;</p>
<p>This is more of an argument <i>for</i> creation than against it.&#160;</p>
<p><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a>DearDarlingDidi</p>
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