Comments on: In the "makes no sense" department http://rhinocrisy.org/2005/11/in-the-makes-no-sense-department/ Sun, 01 Apr 2012 20:07:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Anonymous http://rhinocrisy.org/2005/11/in-the-makes-no-sense-department/comment-page-1/#comment-378 Anonymous Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:49:43 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=508#comment-378 another out-of-butt explanation would be the big X painted on syria by the bushies. we know what happened to UN people in iraq. there may also be a feeling that creating a legal obligation in syria through official refugee classification would put UN people in harm's way. the armed protection that might be necessary for the aid workers might be too tricky a political problem. <br/><br/><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a>chromo another out-of-butt explanation would be the big X painted on syria by the bushies. we know what happened to UN people in iraq. there may also be a feeling that creating a legal obligation in syria through official refugee classification would put UN people in harm’s way. the armed protection that might be necessary for the aid workers might be too tricky a political problem. 

Posted by chromo

]]> By: Anonymous http://rhinocrisy.org/2005/11/in-the-makes-no-sense-department/comment-page-1/#comment-377 Anonymous Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:26:20 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=508#comment-377 Yes, chromo, that was my point as well. It looks like a political decision on the part of UNHCR.<br/><br/>How many of those refugees -- I mean, um, displaced persons -- are going to go home when the U.S. withdraws and <a HREF="http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/29/1458235" REL="nofollow">Iran is targeting air strikes within Iraq</a>  ?  <br/><br/><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a>hedgehog Yes, chromo, that was my point as well. It looks like a political decision on the part of UNHCR.

How many of those refugees — I mean, um, displaced persons — are going to go home when the U.S. withdraws and Iran is targeting air strikes within Iraq  ?  

Posted by hedgehog

]]> By: Anonymous http://rhinocrisy.org/2005/11/in-the-makes-no-sense-department/comment-page-1/#comment-376 Anonymous Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:41:21 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=508#comment-376 that makes sense.<br/><br/>i had a hard time with a possible subtext of those two - that the UNHCR is responding to pressure from "someone" not to declare folks on the run from iraq as being long-term displaced. <br/><br/><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a>chromo that makes sense.

i had a hard time with a possible subtext of those two – that the UNHCR is responding to pressure from “someone” not to declare folks on the run from iraq as being long-term displaced. 

Posted by chromo

]]> By: Saheli http://rhinocrisy.org/2005/11/in-the-makes-no-sense-department/comment-page-1/#comment-375 Saheli Mon, 28 Nov 2005 03:40:11 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=508#comment-375 My best, sad, guess is that 700,000 is simply not considered "major," or "most." Both as a percentage of the population -- if I'm not mistaken, in Afghanistan, whole provinces simply hemorraghed people--and also since all numbers involving seem to get easily talked down and dismissed in this war. I mean, 100,000 civilian deaths is apparently not so major by some people's estimates either, right? Technically "most" means at least more than half, right? So you'd need 13 odd million refugees before that first UNHCR page would be wrong. Since the UNHCR is quoted in both links, my guess is that it's merely a matter of telling people what they want to hear when they want to hear it. The numbers are the real thing, and in that the two links don't seem to contradict each other, since the first one is so lacking in numerical content. 700,000 suddenly indigent Iraqis overwhelming a weak Syrian state is bad news, regardless, especially if they're also indicative of anti-insurgents being bled out of the new Iraqi state. What a mess.  <br/><br/><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a><a HREF="http://ssrdatta.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow" TITLE="sahelidatta at hotmail dot com">Saheli</a> My best, sad, guess is that 700,000 is simply not considered “major,” or “most.” Both as a percentage of the population — if I’m not mistaken, in Afghanistan, whole provinces simply hemorraghed people–and also since all numbers involving seem to get easily talked down and dismissed in this war. I mean, 100,000 civilian deaths is apparently not so major by some people’s estimates either, right? Technically “most” means at least more than half, right? So you’d need 13 odd million refugees before that first UNHCR page would be wrong. Since the UNHCR is quoted in both links, my guess is that it’s merely a matter of telling people what they want to hear when they want to hear it. The numbers are the real thing, and in that the two links don’t seem to contradict each other, since the first one is so lacking in numerical content. 700,000 suddenly indigent Iraqis overwhelming a weak Syrian state is bad news, regardless, especially if they’re also indicative of anti-insurgents being bled out of the new Iraqi state. What a mess.  

Posted by Saheli

]]> By: Anonymous http://rhinocrisy.org/2005/11/in-the-makes-no-sense-department/comment-page-1/#comment-374 Anonymous Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:23:17 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=508#comment-374 oops sorry, that was unclear. i'm guessing that "displacement" is a technical word that requires or precedes the declaration of official refugee status. oops sorry, that was unclear. i’m guessing that “displacement” is a technical word that requires or precedes the declaration of official refugee status.

]]> By: Anonymous http://rhinocrisy.org/2005/11/in-the-makes-no-sense-department/comment-page-1/#comment-373 Anonymous Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:09:22 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=508#comment-373 item (a): <i> For ... Iraqis living abroad, including some one million asylum seekers, refugees and other Iraqis under UNHCR's protection in neighbouring countries, ... UNHCR's offices in the region are laying plans for the phased repatriation of more than half a million Iraqis once the situation stabilises.</i> <br/><br/>item (b) from wapo: <i>Hoping to help the fleeing Iraqis without encouraging their flight, the U.N. agency arranged "temporary protection status" that prevented the Iraqis from being deported but did not trigger the financial aid and relocation assistance that goes to official refugees.</i><br/><br/>there are no refugees on a technicality? <br/><br/><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a>chromo item (a): For … Iraqis living abroad, including some one million asylum seekers, refugees and other Iraqis under UNHCR’s protection in neighbouring countries, … UNHCR’s offices in the region are laying plans for the phased repatriation of more than half a million Iraqis once the situation stabilises. 

item (b) from wapo: Hoping to help the fleeing Iraqis without encouraging their flight, the U.N. agency arranged “temporary protection status” that prevented the Iraqis from being deported but did not trigger the financial aid and relocation assistance that goes to official refugees.

there are no refugees on a technicality? 

Posted by chromo

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