Comments on: The death of disappointment http://rhinocrisy.org/2006/08/the-death-of-disappointment/ Sun, 01 Apr 2012 20:07:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Anonymous http://rhinocrisy.org/2006/08/the-death-of-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-1111 Anonymous Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:17:15 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=663#comment-1111 i think we're still having a business 2.0 problem, that a better world is invented-not-made and change requires the judicial application of a technocratic expertise. i blame star trek. <br/><br/><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a><a HREF="http://rhinocrisy.blogspot.com/2006/08/death-of-disappointment.html" REL="nofollow" TITLE="alohaflower at mindspring dot com">hibiscus</a> i think we’re still having a business 2.0 problem, that a better world is invented-not-made and change requires the judicial application of a technocratic expertise. i blame star trek. 

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]]> By: Hedgehog http://rhinocrisy.org/2006/08/the-death-of-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-1110 Hedgehog Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:18:28 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=663#comment-1110 <b>Amy Lane</b> : You're right - too long out of the classroom. Another schoolteacher pal of mine said something similar: "I definitely see hope in the kids I work with every day. My kids will know that the world is not fair. We talk about the fact that black and brown kids are treated differently then kids in the hills... Maybe hope has just moved to different populations." <br/><br/><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a><a HREF="rhinocrisy.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow" TITLE="">hedgehog</a> Amy Lane : You’re right – too long out of the classroom. Another schoolteacher pal of mine said something similar: “I definitely see hope in the kids I work with every day. My kids will know that the world is not fair. We talk about the fact that black and brown kids are treated differently then kids in the hills… Maybe hope has just moved to different populations.” 

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]]> By: Amy Lane http://rhinocrisy.org/2006/08/the-death-of-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-1109 Amy Lane Mon, 14 Aug 2006 05:32:06 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=663#comment-1109 Anyone who doesn't believe in hope hasn't set foot in a classroom--any classroom--in recent times. Every adolescent cry of 'it's not fair' or 'man, that's jacked' is a cry of hope for something better. Every time a kid acts out, HOPING for some attention, there's a moment of lightness, because that is a chance for the Universe to improve. Everytime someone celebrates a moment of actual thinking (not just regurgitation or brainwashed test scores) there is hope that this person can change the world. Hope is still here--it is where it always is...it's in the hearts of the young. (Young people are born with a hole in their hearts. As they get older they fill it with cares and broken dreams, but when they are young, if they listen to this hole, it will take them where they need to be the most.--Barry Hughart) <br/><br/><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a><a HREF="a-yarning-to-write.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow" TITLE="jago_ji at hotmail dot com">Amy Lane</a> Anyone who doesn’t believe in hope hasn’t set foot in a classroom–any classroom–in recent times. Every adolescent cry of ‘it’s not fair’ or ‘man, that’s jacked’ is a cry of hope for something better. Every time a kid acts out, HOPING for some attention, there’s a moment of lightness, because that is a chance for the Universe to improve. Everytime someone celebrates a moment of actual thinking (not just regurgitation or brainwashed test scores) there is hope that this person can change the world. Hope is still here–it is where it always is…it’s in the hearts of the young. (Young people are born with a hole in their hearts. As they get older they fill it with cares and broken dreams, but when they are young, if they listen to this hole, it will take them where they need to be the most.–Barry Hughart) 

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]]> By: Hedgehog http://rhinocrisy.org/2006/08/the-death-of-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-1108 Hedgehog Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:30:14 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=663#comment-1108 <b>Dylan:</b>  Don't worry, if you read my older postings, you'll see I my head went past literate limits years ago.<br/><br/><b>Casey:</b> good point, and I am all for change. But if someone drops a diamond ring in the toilet, there's no need to flush right away, even if there's also a turd in there. It's good to see what is getting lost so that we can choose to hang on to it if we want.<br/><br/><b>Crunchy:</b> You might be interested in <a HREF="http://sevenmeters.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">this.</a>  <br/><br/><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a><a HREF="rhinocrisy.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow" TITLE="">hedgehog</a> Dylan:  Don’t worry, if you read my older postings, you’ll see I my head went past literate limits years ago.

Casey: good point, and I am all for change. But if someone drops a diamond ring in the toilet, there’s no need to flush right away, even if there’s also a turd in there. It’s good to see what is getting lost so that we can choose to hang on to it if we want.

Crunchy: You might be interested in this.  

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]]> By: CrunchySpaceman http://rhinocrisy.org/2006/08/the-death-of-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-1107 CrunchySpaceman Mon, 14 Aug 2006 02:40:40 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=663#comment-1107 Unfortunately, there won't be much of a life for T's kids or his kids' kids. Global warming, honey.<br/><br/> <br/><br/><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a><a HREF="http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/elh37" REL="nofollow" TITLE="elh37 at cornell dot edu">CrnuchySpaceman</a> Unfortunately, there won’t be much of a life for T’s kids or his kids’ kids. Global warming, honey.

 

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]]> By: Mariesaintmichel http://rhinocrisy.org/2006/08/the-death-of-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-1106 Mariesaintmichel Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:56:52 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=663#comment-1106 Hi Hedgehog<br/>I was reading you and remembering thousands of young adults students of mine who feel this acid disappointment and all of you are absolutely RIGHT.If you are not totally stoned or delusional, you HAVE to feel disappointed. I have to thank you all bright people now in your 30's because you gave me inspiration to rethink life and go deep in the roots of many aspects. You can well see the symptoms and made me look for the cause of this cancer. Because of you, I have just started my blog. I'll be soon sharing with you some insights about mistaken survival strategies, stupidity and evolution. You know, T, your generation does not need to despair because there is one thing called mortality. The children of your children will soon be in this world, and you can always teach them in a totally different and better way than the parents of our parents taught you. That's the beauty of being mortal, you know? You do your best and then give way to change and evolution. <br/><br/><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a><a HREF="http://rhinocrisy.blogspot.com/2006/08/death-of-disappointment.html" REL="nofollow" TITLE="iqaluit at vianet dot ca">Mariesaintmichel</a> Hi Hedgehog
I was reading you and remembering thousands of young adults students of mine who feel this acid disappointment and all of you are absolutely RIGHT.If you are not totally stoned or delusional, you HAVE to feel disappointed. I have to thank you all bright people now in your 30′s because you gave me inspiration to rethink life and go deep in the roots of many aspects. You can well see the symptoms and made me look for the cause of this cancer. Because of you, I have just started my blog. I’ll be soon sharing with you some insights about mistaken survival strategies, stupidity and evolution. You know, T, your generation does not need to despair because there is one thing called mortality. The children of your children will soon be in this world, and you can always teach them in a totally different and better way than the parents of our parents taught you. That’s the beauty of being mortal, you know? You do your best and then give way to change and evolution. 

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]]> By: Annie http://rhinocrisy.org/2006/08/the-death-of-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-1105 Annie Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:51:38 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=663#comment-1105 You can only be disappointed by hope if you put a time limit on the results. May God Bless you. You can only be disappointed by hope if you put a time limit on the results. May God Bless you.

]]> By: Richard Layman http://rhinocrisy.org/2006/08/the-death-of-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-1104 Richard Layman Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:43:32 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=663#comment-1104 I guess I am a baby boomer because I was born in 1960. But you are being incredibly "general" with your comments. Baby boomers also lived through U.S. involvement in Vietnam. Now, I was barely cognizant of the war, until towards the end, but I remember images on TV, the photos from 1975 when South Vietnam "fell," and the photos of dead soldiers in Hustler.<br/><br/>Not to mention I went to college and learned about "events" such as the fall of Allende. This gave me a different political orientation than that of the average neoconservative.<br/><br/>Many many "baby boomers" were appalled by the lead up to war, and figured, if you ever read the fiction book Armageddon by Leon Uris, about the military government in Germany post-WWII, that the U.S. government would f* things up big time.<br/><br/>Not to mention that if you understood even a little about the Middle East (when I was in college the Shah fell and I wrote a paper about it) that Iraq is three different "countries" -- Kurd, Sunni, Shite -- held together by oppression, and when the strictures were removed... can you say "Yugoslavia"?<br/><br/>But when you lead with ideology, you aren't objective, and you end up, unless you are very very lucky, making very serious mistakes.<br/><br/>The one thing our country is very good at is not learning generally, and not learning from history specifically.<br/><br/>But given the state of the world, we can no longer afford to waste trillions of dollars in mistake-based learning. <br/><br/><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a><a HREF="http://urbanplacesandspaces.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow" TITLE="rlaymandc at Yahoo dot com">Richard Layman</a> I guess I am a baby boomer because I was born in 1960. But you are being incredibly “general” with your comments. Baby boomers also lived through U.S. involvement in Vietnam. Now, I was barely cognizant of the war, until towards the end, but I remember images on TV, the photos from 1975 when South Vietnam “fell,” and the photos of dead soldiers in Hustler.

Not to mention I went to college and learned about “events” such as the fall of Allende. This gave me a different political orientation than that of the average neoconservative.

Many many “baby boomers” were appalled by the lead up to war, and figured, if you ever read the fiction book Armageddon by Leon Uris, about the military government in Germany post-WWII, that the U.S. government would f* things up big time.

Not to mention that if you understood even a little about the Middle East (when I was in college the Shah fell and I wrote a paper about it) that Iraq is three different “countries” — Kurd, Sunni, Shite — held together by oppression, and when the strictures were removed… can you say “Yugoslavia”?

But when you lead with ideology, you aren’t objective, and you end up, unless you are very very lucky, making very serious mistakes.

The one thing our country is very good at is not learning generally, and not learning from history specifically.

But given the state of the world, we can no longer afford to waste trillions of dollars in mistake-based learning. 

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]]> By: Anonymous http://rhinocrisy.org/2006/08/the-death-of-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-1103 Anonymous Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:37:29 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=663#comment-1103 Speaking from the Baby Boomer generation. The 60s are over, done. Yah had to be there. Time to turn the page. Same with the greatest generation ever--those who lived and fought in World War II. America is changing, morphing into something else. Who knows what? We morphed from an English colony into the greatest country in modern history. How did we do that? Our values and traditions are bending as this country tries to absorb all the hate from countries still living in the 13th century AND try to reach into the future at the same time. Sitting around drinking big gulps of angst won't do much. Think America has issues, travel to other countries. Europe. Africa. Mexico. Why do 700,000 people a year leave Russia? Why do people swim rivers, risk their lives to come here? Why do we let the real terrorists--big banks, credit companies, pharmaceutical firms, health insurers, oil companies--control our behaviors? When will we learn to think globally? Accept change. Embrace it. Don't sit and wax philosophically about what is gone. Grab what is to come instead.  <br/><br/><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a><a HREF="www.digitalbusinesservices.com" REL="nofollow" TITLE="casey at digitalbusinesservices dot com">Casey Turton</a> Speaking from the Baby Boomer generation. The 60s are over, done. Yah had to be there. Time to turn the page. Same with the greatest generation ever–those who lived and fought in World War II. America is changing, morphing into something else. Who knows what? We morphed from an English colony into the greatest country in modern history. How did we do that? Our values and traditions are bending as this country tries to absorb all the hate from countries still living in the 13th century AND try to reach into the future at the same time. Sitting around drinking big gulps of angst won’t do much. Think America has issues, travel to other countries. Europe. Africa. Mexico. Why do 700,000 people a year leave Russia? Why do people swim rivers, risk their lives to come here? Why do we let the real terrorists–big banks, credit companies, pharmaceutical firms, health insurers, oil companies–control our behaviors? When will we learn to think globally? Accept change. Embrace it. Don’t sit and wax philosophically about what is gone. Grab what is to come instead.  

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]]> By: Bowds http://rhinocrisy.org/2006/08/the-death-of-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-1102 Bowds Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:02:23 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/?p=663#comment-1102 I think you've really found the issue behind the issue here. Although I do believe Iraq vets. will experience the problems returning in not finding that niche the other vets. found easily, I do not believe the fall of satire will directly lead to the fall of that part of pop culture. Now-a-days children are more politically aware then ever, no longer burdened by the need to agree with parents (its actually going the other direction in these rebellious times). Anyway, keep it rolling and I hope the sudden burst of fame doesn't inflate that head past literate limits or I'll be lost once again. <br/><br/>Cheers, <br/>Dylan or Beyond the Bang <br/><br/><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a><a HREF="beyondthebang.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow" TITLE="dylantbowden at hotmail dot com">Dylan</a> I think you’ve really found the issue behind the issue here. Although I do believe Iraq vets. will experience the problems returning in not finding that niche the other vets. found easily, I do not believe the fall of satire will directly lead to the fall of that part of pop culture. Now-a-days children are more politically aware then ever, no longer burdened by the need to agree with parents (its actually going the other direction in these rebellious times). Anyway, keep it rolling and I hope the sudden burst of fame doesn’t inflate that head past literate limits or I’ll be lost once again.

Cheers,
Dylan or Beyond the Bang 

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