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		<title>By: hibiscus</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>remember the good old days, when he and we worked &lt;em&gt;together&lt;/em&gt; to kill a million by starvation? and why doesn't that exaggerated estimate include the shia and kurd uprisings in 1991? those two put &lt;em&gt;somebody's&lt;/em&gt; numbers up another 100,000 maybe.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;the beeb report doesn't explain why people are wrong to compare iraqbodycount.org numbers with johns hopkins et al numbers. IBQ is set up as "an &lt;a HREF="http://www.iraqbodycount.org/editorial/defended/1.php" REL="nofollow"&gt;irrefutable baseline&lt;/a&gt;&#160; of certain and undeniable deaths," not a total.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;this is the clearest single project declaration i could find on the IBQ:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;"Does your count include deaths from indirect causes?"&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Each side can readily claim that indirectly-caused deaths are the "fault" of the other side or, where long-term illnesses and genetic disorders are concerned, "due to other causes." Our methodology requires that specific deaths attributed to US-led military actions are carried in at least two reports from our approved sources. This includes deaths resulting from the destruction of water treatment plants or any other lethal effects on the civilian population. The test for us remains whether the bullet (or equivalent) is attributed to a piece of weaponry where the trigger was pulled by a US or allied finger, or is due to "collateral damage" by either side (with the burden of responsibility falling squarely on the shoulders of those who initiate war without UN Security Council authorization). We agree that deaths from any deliberate source are an equal outrage, but in this project we want to only record those deaths to which we can unambiguously hold our own leaders to account. In short, we record all civilians deaths attributed to our military intervention in Iraq.&lt;/i&gt;&#160;&#160;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Posted by&lt;a&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a HREF="http://sabdariffa.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow" TITLE="alohaflower at mindspring dot com"&gt;hibiscus&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remember the good old days, when he and we worked <em>together</em> to kill a million by starvation? and why doesn&#8217;t that exaggerated estimate include the shia and kurd uprisings in 1991? those two put <em>somebody&#8217;s</em> numbers up another 100,000 maybe.</p>
<p>the beeb report doesn&#8217;t explain why people are wrong to compare iraqbodycount.org numbers with johns hopkins et al numbers. IBQ is set up as &#8220;an <a HREF="http://www.iraqbodycount.org/editorial/defended/1.php" REL="nofollow">irrefutable baseline</a>&#160; of certain and undeniable deaths,&#8221; not a total.</p>
<p>this is the clearest single project declaration i could find on the IBQ:</p>
<p><i><b>&#8220;Does your count include deaths from indirect causes?&#8221;</b>&#160;</p>
<p>Each side can readily claim that indirectly-caused deaths are the &#8220;fault&#8221; of the other side or, where long-term illnesses and genetic disorders are concerned, &#8220;due to other causes.&#8221; Our methodology requires that specific deaths attributed to US-led military actions are carried in at least two reports from our approved sources. This includes deaths resulting from the destruction of water treatment plants or any other lethal effects on the civilian population. The test for us remains whether the bullet (or equivalent) is attributed to a piece of weaponry where the trigger was pulled by a US or allied finger, or is due to &#8220;collateral damage&#8221; by either side (with the burden of responsibility falling squarely on the shoulders of those who initiate war without UN Security Council authorization). We agree that deaths from any deliberate source are an equal outrage, but in this project we want to only record those deaths to which we can unambiguously hold our own leaders to account. In short, we record all civilians deaths attributed to our military intervention in Iraq.</i>&#160;&#160;</p>
<p><a></a><a></a>Posted by<a><b> </b></a><a HREF="http://sabdariffa.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow" TITLE="alohaflower at mindspring dot com">hibiscus</a></p>
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